KDE-CVS-Digest for January 24, 2003

The latest KDE CVS Digest is now available. In this week's news, Kaplan is reborn as Kontact (a personal information management application for KDE that integrates KMail, KAddressBook, KOrganizer and other applications), KMail is moved, and a new VCard parser makes an appearance. Also read about
KHTML's continued improvements, thanks to the Apple Safari contributions, and improvements in the KOffice filters. A number of new applications were also added to the CVS repository.

  • WiFi, from kwirelesstools by
    Stefan Winter, was added to kdenetwork. With the application KWiFiManager you can configure
    and monitor your wireless LAN PC-Cards under Linux/KDE.
  • KGamma
    is a KDE Control Center module for gamma calibration/correction of XFree86. With proper gamma
    settings, your display (websites, images, etc.) will look the same on your monitor as on other
    monitors.
  • KMouth is a KDE program
    which enables persons that cannot speak to let their computer speak.
  • KMouseTool is a KDE program
    that clicks the mouse for you.
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Comments

by sushi (not verified)

Ok, granted, openssl and KDE combination might be arguable,
And having KDE w/o ssl support is taking away some features,
but it should not be impossible to have KDE w/o openssl.
So your argument would be void.
(Or do you want me to honestly believe that KOffice, Kdevelop, Kicker, KWin, ... will absolutely not work w/o ?!)
Your 'propable truth' reasoning is the only reasoning:
Nobody in Debian wants to do that.
Legal arguments are just another excuse. (Read: I don't propose to break the law, or ignore licenses, but they're used only as a smoke screen in this case.)

Yeah, you're definitely on the right side license-wise with Debian -
Nothing goes into stable before it's so outdated that everything has been hashed out beforehand by others first.

Yours, Stefan.

by STeve Andre' (not verified)

Having managed the release of software in the past,
all I can say is that it is frought with various
unexpected and sometimes weird problems. Thinking
of past experiences, I can say is that waiting
until everything is right is well worth it. KDE
is not a simple project, and it feels to me as if
this is one of the largest jumps the project has
made to date. I appreciate the efforts everyone
is making, and if it takes more time than people
would like, well, thats life.

Better to see a good KDE 3.1 release than a crippled
one.

Waiting patiently...

--STeve Andre'

by Anonymous (not verified)

The best guess is that the "Tuesday is a good day" public relation, "more binaries are needed" and "release when the source is done" sections are still busy struggling with each other.

by kilaeden (not verified)

"This release 'now stands upon the edge of a knife, [delay] but a little, and it may fail to the ruin of all [KDE fans]'"

Ok,that settles it.
If Gandalf himself is a KDE fan, then we now for sure which
DE is the ONE. :>

by André Somers (not verified)

I don't know about Gandalf, but this quote is from Galadriel, Lady of the Wood...

by Anonymous (not verified)

If there is to be further delay, would someone post a message somewhere, say, www.kde.org, or dot.kde.org, or lists.kde.org, or...?

I'm not angry, I would just like to have further information. It seemed like the release was going to be last weekend and the lack of information is distressing.

by Iuri Fiedoruk (not verified)

I want to thanks the programmers of kgamma. They saved my eyes from the dark side of the screen.
Really nice app.

by Andrew Balsa (not verified)

The KGamma programmer is Michael v.Ostheim. He is an extremely nice and helpful person. I just wrote to him because i had noticed a small problem with KGamma in my XFree86 setup, and he immediately responded and solved it.
I am using KDE 3.1rc6 (love it!) in the Mandrake 9.1 Beta 2 and I think KGamma is a great addition to the KDE family.
BTW I personally can wait for as long as the KDE programmers want. There shouldn´t be any pressure on the developer community, either to speed up things or to delay them.
Andrew

by Jose C. Alvarez (not verified)

1.- The KDE guys know best when to release the software

2.- If you do not like 1. you have 2 options

2.1 - See 1. (recomended)
2.2 - Get it from the CVS and compile it

3.- If you do not like 2.2 you have 2 options

3.1 - See 2.1 (recomended)

and so on and on

Sumarising:

Let's the guys who know best do the job. Stop moaning.

Rgds,

JC

by IR (not verified)

1.- The KDE guys know best when to release the software

Aha, so that's why there have been *six*release canidates?

by Datschge (not verified)

Because they were only release _candidates_, no actual releases. *shrug

by IR (not verified)

..yes obviously *shrug

So six times in a row eh?

by Aaron J. Seigo (not verified)

yes, 6 times in a row. a decision was made with each RC whether or not it was worthy to be called a final release. to prevent having had six RCs, two things could've happened: a less-than-great 3.1 could've been shipped that included major bugs and security flaws (would you have prefered that?), or the project simply could've kept the source away from beta testers and those who wanted a preview and not released RCs at all (would you have prefered that?). the latter strategy would've also improved the odds that all those bugs that were found and fixed would've instead made it into the final release.

yes, the delay on this release has been extraordinary (~6 weeks) compared to past release schedules. however, that wait isn't going to kill anyone and it will result in a better final product. isn't that what really matters?

by IR (not verified)

>>>however, that wait isn't going to kill anyone and it will result in a better final product. isn't that what really matters?

Yes true. Can't wait till KDE 3.2 ;)

by krakatoa (not verified)

release when ready seems a simple enough concept to me.

Yogi brera would probably tell us we are there til we are there."

I doubt there is any single person who wants to finish the
release than the release manager..... so he can start working on the
next one. :>
Surely,his motivation surpasses our own.

If anyone doesn't want to compile the lastest cvs, then install Debian
and apt-get the 3.1 debs.
Contrary to popular opinion it is not hard to install and the latest
kde is always available.
It is surely just as quick as compiling cvs.

by Jarl E. Gjessing (not verified)

I think it is super that they dont release at the predicted release date.
What I dont like is just sitting waiting without knowing why. It would be really great if Dirk or someone else made a place at the kde.org site where we could see what are causing the delay. Maybe even seing exactly what is being worked on at the moment.

by Peter (not verified)

In my opinion it's not that important why the release has been delayed... I think an official statement like "The release of KDE3.1 has been delayed for one week" would be enough in my opinion.

It's just frustrating to go through several mailing lists every day and read 1000 different opinions... The reason of the delay would be interesting, but I don't care about this that much.

by Anonymous (not verified)

"I think an official statement like "The release of KDE3.1 has been delayed for one week" would be enough in my opinion."

Yeah, but this hasn't happened either. Read what the poster said again: "Delay is okay, silence is a pain."

by Anonymous (not verified)

The silence is only to increase the tension. :-)

by Adrian (not verified)

I think they reached the climax already.

by Debian User (not verified)

No, it passed already....

by Peter (not verified)

> Yeah, but this hasn't happened either.
> Read what the poster said again: "Delay is okay, silence is a pain."
Ups, sorry - I think my second paragraph has been written quite confusing (english is not my native language ;-). I totally agree with the previous poster and to "Delay is okay, silence is pain." - I just wanted to say that an official statement would avoid users digging through a lot of mailing-lists with a 1000 different opinions about the release date. I didn't have the intension to offend somebody :-)

by Anonymous (not verified)

"I didn't have the intension to offend somebody :-)"

You didn't. Sorry for being snappish. That's the trouble with this text-only communication - there are no visual cues to see if somebody is being snotty or not. :-) My apologies.

by Anonymous (not verified)

"I didn't have the intension to offend somebody :-)"

You didn't offend. I apologize for sounding snappish. That's the trouble with this text-only communication - there are no visual cues to see if somebody is being snotty or not. :-) My apologies.

by Mike (not verified)

Something similar to this weekly CVS digest, a daily release digest
(consisting of just a few sentences and an up-to-date buglist)
during the last weeks before a release would certainly calm many
minds. When people see what bugs are still there, they know what
they're waiting for and would probably even demand the release to
be kept off until they are fixed.
And many, like me, probably just want a site they can surf to every
day that makes them feel the release is getting closer :)

One can but dream...

by Anonymous (not verified)

> Something similar to this weekly CVS digest, a daily release digest

Subscribe to apps.kde.com's apps-announce mailing list with activated digest mode. Please don't follow the bad example of http://gnomedesktop.org and post every peanut release on the dot.

by Waldo Bastian (not verified)

Current plans aim for a release early in the coming week. Binary packages for a good number of distros have been coming in for the last few days and it is mostly a matter of finishing up the announcement and fixing up some server issues so that everyone will be able to smoothly download binary packages.

Cheers,
Waldo

by krakatoa (not verified)

thank you, Waldo Bastian.
& all kde developers.

by nappsoft (not verified)

I've downloaded the packages a few hours ago... KDE 3.1 is already installed... just browse ftp...

by Andy (not verified)

Any idea when RedHat 8.0 RPMs would be posted here?

andy

by CWoelz (not verified)

Now that Bero is gone, maybe nowhere.
Use the next phoebe beta...

by kdwang (not verified)

RedHat, aka the Rhat ?

Ask Mosfet, Bero or Tim Butler.

by Anand (not verified)

I agree that the KDE team should take whatever measures are necessary to ensure a quality release, but there is a price to pay for these delays, even in an open source project. I don't have much time to assist with development or detailed bug-reporting. My small contribution is through advocacy. I often recommend open source software to my clients, and get them to purchase a support from the project maintainers, if available. Even if my team has to handle the support, I'll make a donation to software that I deploy. I've been very impressed with the KDE 3.1 betas and release candidates, and have been trying to hype it up since November: "Amazing desktop environment coming out any day now." With all the non-showstoppers being backported to the 3.1 branch, lately all I can say is, "Sorry, I have no idea when." The response I get most often is, "I know you like this Linux thing, but at least we know what we're getting ourselves into with Windows." One of the MCSEs that I work with setup an email autoresponder while he was on vacation that said, "The SuSE packages have been ready for a week." That was funny in December.