There is a nice and favorable review of KDE 2.2 available here.
The author does make some mistakes and some propositions that do not seem too clueful (Gecko instead of KHTML? Try KMozilla..), but it's still a nice read.
I do agree about the need for better integration between the kdepim programs and kmail, however.
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You want some screenshots sent to you and you have a slow internet connexion??
Be cautious if too many people send you, your connexion may cry mercy.
Why don't you look here:
http://static.kdenews.org/content/kde2.2/
Here are very nice screenshots of the now famous fast liquid theme :)
http://www.mosfet.org/liquid.html
>- it is better translated
Please could you explain this. Is better translated in what language ?
What are the KDE translation problems ?
Did you report any i18n bug to bugs.kde.org ?
> Please could you explain this. Is better translated in what language ?
Many things are not plainly translated in french. One example, here in Konqueror ? The CSS configuration window is in english.
Of course, there a big work of translation, of course it is in the last functionnalities that most of things are not translated and I am optimistic that it will come. But never in the next french Windows XP you will see a not translated window. So it is a little real advantage of Windows.
> Did you report any i18n bug to bugs.kde.org ?
No, because I think it is some lateness for improving new things. I understand (even I find normal) such a lateness, but I do not hide it...
I did not spoke of the documentation. Here I feel irritated by the latenesses or the lacks. also about updated functionnalities.
Example : KMid don't work (although KMidi works). Why ? It seems I have some Soundfont to find ?
Where I load a "soundfont" ?
I think it Is it to put as a midi mapper on the page "Sound - midi" of KDE Panel Control. In the Help page, it is said that it is very easy, you only have to select a mapper ("That is all there is to it !", Cf. http://www.kde.gr.jp/help/doc/kdebase/doc/kcontrol/HTML/midi.html). But in the selected directory, $HOME, there is no such files !!
Here, I may post a bug (and if somebody knows how to fix such a thing... In the Mdk 8.0 control Center, my soundcard is seen as a sb ESS1869)
On the other side, I feel that the Windows documentation is bad, not better than the KDE one, although better on last improvements... So I think it is not a significant difference...
>Of course, there a big work of translation, of >course it is in the last functionnalities that >most of things are not translated and I am >optimistic that it will come. But never in the >next french Windows XP you will see a not >translated window. So it is a little real >advantage of Windows.
As you know we provide the version 2.x.1 of KDE to complete translation. You may also know that windows has different release dates for different country so here in italy you cannot find english and italian version the same day.
Same thing with KDE, the i18n complete version come one month later.
Anyway, if windows has more translated string (you say all the interface and all the documentation) that does not mean the translations are *better*, better means higer quality and I think our translation, at least for italian, are often better than windows one.
The KDE i18n architecture is also better than the windows one, as an example I always find in windoze dialog of english application that asks somthing in english and the 2 "reply" buttons are in italian instead of english. KDE do not use the translation of "Yes" and "No" provided in kdelibs.po if the application is not translated so there is no language mixing that, I think, is worse than untranslated.
There also are a lot of minor language that Micro$oft do not consider because of the little market of those languages (I think one of the 2 official languages of Norway is not considered by MicroZozz while KDE translate it).
So, you can say Winzozz is *more* (and this is not 100% true) translated but not *better* translated. When we translate something we understand what the message means and than we translate, while I have many example of DOS/Windows translations in docus that mean nothing in italian and the only way to understand their meaning is to translate it back to english "word by word" then try to understand in english, of course people that do not understand english cannot do it.
- Konqueror is better than explorer/IE
Are you sure? There is a plenitude of sites which are still rendered incorrectly / not rendered at all with Konqueror.
Netscape & IE have no problems with those sites.
- KNode/Kmail is better than Outlook Express
Recently, I've tried to post some message to comp.windows.x.kde using the KNode coming with KDE 2.2. No problem to view the content of the newsgroup, but "No valid newsgroups in message", when trying to post.
- Kicker is better than the windows taskbars
What about Drag&Drop to invisible windows? In Windows, you just drag the icon to the taskbar button, hold the icon over the button for some seconds and the window activates and goes upmost. This feature HAS EXISTED in KDE up to 2.1.1, and disappeared in KDE 2.2. Wouldn't I like to know why?
- KDE games are better than Windows games
Little games, yes. Big serious games - still nothing to talk about. All Linux games go out two years behind the Windows counterparts.
- Virtual Destops don't exist in Windows
They do exist, even in Windows 95. Using some add-on software, though.
- Korganizer don't exist in Windows, and so, and so... (KMid, Kate...)
What about Outlook? Virus prone, buggy, not always convenient, yes. But it does its work.
KMid? What about Windows Media Player?
I wonder when will Linux community start LEARNING both GOOD sides and bad sides of Windows, Mac OS,whatever - and not just see those systems as overall bad. Windows has GOOD sides - usability-wise. See the DND-related phrase above.
- Konqueror vs. Explorer/IE
yes, konqi has a ways to go in the web browser dpt (mostly w/javascript) but it is very usable. where i think it goes beyond WE/IE is in things like thumbnails, the sidebar, the services, kparts (in-browser viewing), profiles, konqi-plugins..
- KNode
was your expereince the result of a bug knode or the knode user ;-)
- Kicker
i can still drag things on to my taskbar buttons and the window pops up, so i'm not sure what version you are running or how it is configured. i do wish it would also expand the menu on buttons that consist of several items due to grouping. that said, does windows support the number of extensions and flexibility that kicker does? the ms win panel absolutely sucked the last time i had to use it (winME.. maybe XP is better who knows.)
- Virtual desktops
if you are refering to that program that minimizes/maximizes apps to simulate virt desktops, it isn't nearly what you get with real virt desktops. its a poor imitation, at best.
now, this isn't to say that MS Windows sucks 100%. nor is it to say that there are parts of MS Windows that aren't better than their counterparts in KDE. the question, i believe, is which desktop scores the most wins. this is, of course, somewhat subjective so don't expect everyone to agree on it. but i think your reaction to the (over-?)exuberant post you replied to was a little on the knee-jerk side of reactions.
>- Kicker
>i can still drag things on to my taskbar buttons and the >window pops up, so i'm not sure what version you are running >or how it is configured.
I run the 2.2 version for Mandrake 8.0. Can you tell me how it should be configured? Is that documented somewhere?
Window doesn't pop up neither for internal nor for external taskbar. When I drop the icon, it gets dropped into the panel.
>i do wish it would also expand the
>menu on buttons that consist of several items due to >grouping.
I wish that too.
>if you are refering to that program that minimizes/maximizes >apps to simulate virt desktops, it isn't nearly what you get
>with real virt desktops. its a poor imitation, at best.
No, those were real virtual desktops, even with separate set of icons per desktop. Once more, it's not within Windows, it's add-on software - Norton Desktop, for example.
>that said, does windows support the number of >extensions and flexibility that kicker does? the ms win >panel absolutely sucked the last time i had to use it
>(winME.. maybe XP is better who knows.)
"Window doesn't pop up neither for internal nor for external taskbar. When I drop the icon, it gets dropped into the panel."
You don't drop the icon on the taskbar. You have to wait over the taskbar without moving the mouse for some time (seems longer than necessary). Drag to the taskbar, and while still holding the button, leave the mouse over one of the buttons. If you wait a while, the window will pop up, allowing you to drag the thing you are holding into the window.
>You don't drop the icon on the taskbar. You have to wait
>over the taskbar without moving the mouse for some time
>(seems longer than necessary). Drag to the taskbar, and
I've tried to wait for around 20 seconds. Seems more than enough.
>while still holding the button, leave the mouse over one of > the buttons. If you wait a while, the window will pop up,
>allowing you to drag the thing you are holding into the
>window.
Little addition to my previous reply :-)
>- Konqueror vs. Explorer/IE
>yes, konqi has a ways to go in the web browser dpt (mostly >w/javascript) but it is very usable. where i think it goes >beyond WE/IE is in things like thumbnails, the sidebar, the >services, kparts (in-browser viewing), profiles, konqi->plugins..
WE has services since W95. Win2K or even earlier has thumbnails.
One big problem in Konqueror up to
KDE 2.2 ( maybe ) is that there is a plenty of services, but they are not always shown in the sidebar, so you should learn the exact syntax of the URL before you may use them. Good for day-to-day KDE developer, outright bad for an average user.
Windows shows its services in "My computer", so you know of their existence once they are installed.
>- KNode
>was your expereince the result of a bug knode or the knode >user ;-)
It was my fault, actually :-)
>now, this isn't to say that MS Windows sucks 100%. nor is it >to say that there are parts of MS Windows that aren't better >than their counterparts in KDE. the question, i believe, is >which desktop scores the most wins. this is, of course, >somewhat subjective so don't expect everyone to agree on it. >but i think your reaction to the (over-?)exuberant post you >replied to was a little on the knee-jerk side of reactions.
Maybe. But who knows... When the community easily develops really BIG and GREAT things, but nobody seems to pay attention to those little-little-little annoyances, and those annoyances continue for years - there are some HTML rendering problems I've experienced since KDE 1.0 - you easily may overreact.
I wish Linux to combine the advantages of both Windows as Linux as for today - to be good both for newbie and advanced user. I think that it still is not there partly because of those little things that are not paid attention to.
> > Konqueror is better than explorer/IE
> Are you sure?
For me and many users, yes. Of course some flashy sites are "not / incorrectly rendered", as you say, but they are not my usual sites. It is rare that I meet such sites. When it happens, I ignore the site when I feel it is bad (flashy sites are often bad), or I keep Netscape 4.7. I did not use it from two months...
Using favicons, button for increase font size, "up" button, cookie management, stop animations command and several others useful functionnalities (enhanced browsing by keywords, translation...) is more important than seeing some flashy sites...
It is strange you have problems with KNode about KDE newsgroups, for me it is always OK, perhaps a problem of your FAI...
> What about Drag&Drop to invisible windows?
Yes, you are right, here it is an advantage of Windows. However, there is a workaround by moving the windows. I hope it will be a purpouse in KDE 3... (I thought it didn't exist in 2.2.1...) And Kicker has so many other advantages...
> > KDE games are better than Windows games
> Little games, yes. Big serious games
And you, are you serious ?? Many "little games", as you say, are great games !
I spoke about the games of the Windows OS, here is the comparison, not about commercial DirectX games...
And many people prefer cards, Reversi, Mahjong or chess than DirectX game...
> > Virtual Destops don't exist in Windows
> They do exist, even in Windows 95. Using some add-on software, though.
They are add-ons so they don't exist in Windows OS. And I have tried some of these add-ons, they were not as improved as in KDE...
> > - Korganizer don't exist in Windows, and so, and so... (KMid, Kate...)
> What about Outlook?
Outlook is in MS Office, not in Windows OS. How much money ?
> KMid? What about Windows Media Player?
Is there some karaoke in WMA ?
> I wonder when will Linux community start LEARNING both GOOD sides and bad sides of Windows, Mac OS,whatever - and not just see those systems as overall bad.
Bla bla bla : please read again my post, you will see that I say that Windows has good sizes.
> Windows has GOOD sides - usability-wise.
I said around the same thing : it is more snappy.
I remember one year ago when I said in a linux newsgroup that Windows was better than Linux (KDE or Gnome)... Now things have changed.
Yeah, times are changing ! Bravo KDE team !
>> > Konqueror is better than explorer/IE
>> Are you sure?
>For me and many users, yes. Of course some flashy sites >are "not / incorrectly rendered", as you say, but they are
www.anekdot.ru - this site has voting radio buttons after each joke/picture. When starting to show pictures, Konqueror shows the voting buttons in the middle of the picture and repositions correctly only when you start scrolling and scroll the buttons out and then back in.
www.anekdotov.net - the alignment of the calendar is severely broken.
These sites are NOT flashy - just Russian joke sites.
No problems in Netscape/IE.
I agree that those are little annoyances, but they exist since version 2.0, or even 1.2, and nobody seems to pay attention.
When you configure Konqueror for some different behavior, using its own menu, the changes don't take any effect, till you restart Konqueror or even the whole KDE.
>not my usual sites. It is rare that I meet such sites. When >it happens, I ignore the site when I feel it is bad (flashy >sites are often bad), or I keep Netscape 4.7. I did not use >it from two months...
>Using favicons, button for increase font size, "up" button, >cookie management, stop animations command and several >others useful functionnalities (enhanced browsing by >keywords, translation...) is more important than seeing some >flashy sites...
Button for increase font size doesn't work more than often. And the same button exists in IE.
>It is strange you have problems with KNode about KDE >newsgroups, for me it is always OK, perhaps a problem of >your FAI...
Yes, it was clearly my own problem :-)
>> What about Drag&Drop to invisible windows?
>Yes, you are right, here it is an advantage of Windows. >However, there is a workaround by moving the windows. I hope
How do you spell "inconvenient" :-)?
>it will be a purpouse in KDE 3... (I thought it didn't exist >in 2.2.1...) And Kicker has so many other advantages...
It existed even in 2.0. And Windows has that since Windows 95.
To your advantage, there are not many users of Windows who know about this drag&drop feature - it is not documented so much.
>> > KDE games are better than Windows games
>> Little games, yes. Big serious games
>And you, are you serious ?? Many "little games", as you say, >are great games !
>I spoke about the games of the Windows OS, here is the >comparison, not about commercial DirectX games...
>And many people prefer cards, Reversi, Mahjong or chess than >DirectX game...
I prefer little games, too. But I know many people who use their PC to surf the Internet and play games - DirectX games.
> > Virtual Destops don't exist in Windows
> They do exist, even in Windows 95. Using some add-on >software, though.
>They are add-ons so they don't exist in Windows OS. And I
Do you define KDE as part of Linux OS?
>have tried some of these add-ons, they were not as improved >as in KDE...
Separate icon set for each desktop - how is that to you?
> > - Korganizer don't exist in Windows, and so, and so... (KMid, Kate...)
>> What about Outlook?
>Outlook is in MS Office, not in Windows OS. How much money ?
>> KMid? What about Windows Media Player?
>>Is there some karaoke in WMA ?
There are plenty of karaoke players as for Windows as for Linux.
>> I wonder when will Linux community start LEARNING both >>GOOD sides and bad sides of Windows, Mac OS,whatever - and >>not just see those systems as overall bad.
>Bla bla bla : please read again my post, you will see that >I say that Windows has good sizes.
>> Windows has GOOD sides - usability-wise.
> I said around the same thing : it is more snappy.
>I remember one year ago when I said in a linux newsgroup >that Windows was better than Linux (KDE or Gnome)... Now >things have changed.
>Yeah, times are changing ! Bravo KDE team !
I agree with you, but let's do the work and not rest on the laurels.
Well, again, Alain Terior is responding to Alex Terior ;-)...
> I agree that those are little annoyances, but they exist since version 2.0, or even 1.2, and nobody seems to pay attention.
-- I posted 3 bugs about Konqueror/KHtml, 2 are fixed.
> When you configure Konqueror for some different behavior, using its own menu, the changes don't take any effect, till you restart Konqueror or even the whole KDE.
-- ?? Very strange, for me it take effect when I push OK or Apply button...
> Button for increase font size doesn't work more than often.
-- I have no problem... Ah perhaps, I remember 1 or 2 pages...
> And the same button exists in IE.
-- It is not a button, but a menu command. 3 clicks against 1, it is very different, yes : I didn't use it on IE, I use it in Konqui.
> > What about Drag&Drop to invisible windows?
>Yes, you are right, here it is an advantage of Windows. >However, there is a workaround by moving the windows. I hope
> How do you spell "inconvenient" :-)?
-- Yes. But it is many more convenient that the big bug I have seen (as I say on previous page). I lost 2 important files (happily I retrieved a backup for the second...). You may try :
- create on the destop a file Text1.txt, containing the line "This is my text". Save and exit the editor.
- on the desktop change the name Text1.txt to Text2.txt
- See the content of Text2.txt, now it is :
[Desktop Entry]
Name[fr]=Text2.txt
Is it specific for my installation ? Is something to do for quickly correct such a thing ?...
So nothing is white, nothing is black, of course...
[Drag and drop on tool bar]
> To your advantage, there are not many users of Windows who know about this drag&drop feature - it is not documented so much.
-- I used it very much, so I agree with you, it is irritating...
> I prefer little games, too. But I know many people who use their PC to surf the Internet and play games - DirectX games.
-- Often it is a period. Linux is an occasion to be desintoxicated ;-)...
> > Virtual Destops don't exist in Windows
> They do exist, even in Windows 95. Using some add-on >software, though.
>They are add-ons so they don't exist in Windows OS. And I
Do you define KDE as part of Linux OS?
-- I feel KDE like Windows 3.1 was for Dos.
> have tried some of these add-ons, they were not as improved >as in KDE...
Separate icon set for each desktop - how is that to you?
-- Yes, it would be interesting. However, I felt it was a lack when I began KDE, and now I think I would turn off this ability if it exists (hmm... but it would be very good to decide if each destop is similar to the first or specific : 3 similar desktops and 1 specific would be very good for me...)
> >Is there some karaoke in WMA ?
> There are plenty of karaoke players as for Windows as for Linux.
-- Not in the MS Windows package. But these windows freeware are often good and easy to install. More than KMid, I made many tries, without success... (and I have a common souncart)
> >Yeah, times are changing ! Bravo KDE team !
> I agree with you, but let's do the work and not rest on the laurels.
-- Oh yes !
I think that a big difficulty for maintening KDE is the number of parameters and the many ways KDE is used (and installed). So it needs a great attention.
I think we can pretty much all agree that the speed issue with KDE is the biggest hurdle, and, I'm impressed with the progress made so far, but it still isn't enough. Personally, I don't fully blame KDE, but much of the underlying system. I guess it's only a matter of time.
It certainly does; using SuSE Linux 7.2 Pro
I have done totally with W@#$**.
The integration into linux has surpassed anything
I've seen sofar.
My God what a JOY TO USE!!!
I favor that! Having used suse and suse7.2pro for a month i say their distribution is really good. And the KDE service they deliver is awsome. And KDE 2.2 is as all KDE releases a "great leap forward". Thanks developers!! Now looking forward to Koffice and a new release of Aethera ...
This is like Christmas all the time:)
I stopped reading after the first couple of paragraphs because I'm sick of pointless gnome bashing. Sure, it was a "NB: I'm not going to comment on GNOME..." and then "X and Y are good but GNOME? Let's just leave it at that"...um, what do you think you just did? Is it too much to ask for a bit of maturity in reviews? Why does a KDE review full of opinion masquerading as fact ("the fact there is no Linux desktop that can yet match the ease of use, and comfortable usage of Microsoft Windows or Mac OS"???) require an obligatory GNOME jibe? Doesn't the reviewer realize a large number of KDE users also use GNOME [apps] and vice-versa? I used GNOME for years before switching to KDE due to dist'n support reasons (RH->Debian).
To me, the review lost all credibility in the first two paragraphs, and I'm still waiting for a professional and objective review of KDE 2.2, one that can restrict itself to the subject on hand, or at least back up opinions with objective and well-formed arguments. FWIW, I have been using 2.2 since it came out and enjoy it significantly. But let's not allow our regard for KDE favour this kind of amateur elitism posing as a real review.
Yuck get a clue real Linux users don't touch that sellout crap.
Do you ever not troll, Craig?
As much as I understand your anger, you should note that the reviewer is no KDE developer or participant on KDE; therefore KDE is not responsible for the contents of the review. Our opinion is that GNOME bashing has no place here nor does KDE bashing have a place on gnotices. Please try to keep comments about the quality of GNOME software out of KDE reports, comments or reviews.
completely agreed
Cripes! I agree completely. Admittedly, I use GNOME most of the time, but I think KDE is a great project too. Every time I read about a new KDE release, I load it up and I'm always impressed.
I know there are zealots on both sides, but for some reason, posters on this story just seem to be particularly venomous. I mean, there's a really cool new KDE release out and a good 40% of the comments here on the KDE website are about how much GNOME sucks. Come on people, lighten up a little bit. I don't mean to be harsh here, but both projects would benefit if some people would stop investing so much of their self-worth in which desktop they run on their computer.
seems like "view document source" does not work in konqueror anymore. has anybody else experienced this problem (could not find a bug report)?
thanks!
Works fine on this page with my KDE 2.2 final. At least it's not a consistent error then. Good luck!
It works for me too ... it brings-up whatever you have setup as your default text editor. Maybe the problem is launching that app?
-Karl
that was it: after removing "kant" and creating a symlink kant->kate everything worked fine. don't know however how to _set_ the default editor for kde. could not find an appropriate option in kconfig.
thanks anyway.
To display the source, konqueror uses the primary edtior defined to handle text/plain mimetypes. So you can configure it using via 'File Associations' of konqueror.
Andreas
this really needs to check out aethera.
very nice program. yeah, it still has a few (major) bugs, but it's getting there.
-john
Yeap your right on that one. Aethera is the answer. I'd love to see Aethera as the default pim for 3.0.
Craig
Yes, aethera looks promising. But at least in combination with KDE 2.2 it crashes always when I click on new mail... I think I have to wait for the next version. Anyway, the old xfmail is still unreached, but it really gets time for something competitive.
Can the framework being developed for Gideon be used for an app similar to Outlook/Notes, using existing apps as parts? Or maybe a quanta type app? My reasoning is that if something as complex as an IDE can use it, a groupware or Web deelopment app can too.
Hi RedHat 7.1 Users,
This is the *first* I won't complain about RedHat RPMS. This is real cool no troubles except those big dependencies files glibc-common, etc.,
I have written few scripts to automate rpm based install of KDE 2.2 on a Standard RedHat KDE workstation. These scripts works fine for me, and hence I am providing these just to help you and so I disclaim any responsibility for any harm caused to your computer.
Just get All rpms from ftp.sourceforge.net and from rawhide RH 7.1 update site at
(http://rpmfind.net/linux/rawhide/1.0/i386/RedHat/RPMS).
1.KDE2.2rpm-requirement.txt: contains the RPMS you need to get these script working properly.
2.install-KDE-2.2: will uninstall KDE 2.1.1 from your workstation and install KDE 2.2 and recheck for any missing packages
3. reinstall-KDE-2.2: will check for missing packages which should be installed.
4. uninstall-KDE-2.1.1: this will uninstall (almost) all KDE 2.1.1 packages.
To sum up:
1. copy these 3 script files in the same folder in which you save the required rpms as listed in KDE2.2rpm-requirement.txt
2. run ./install-KDE-2.2
That's all...
---
I wish this installation headache get solved soon by the stable release of
KDE-Installer, which would download all the required packages. But when?
---
Just grab my KDE 2.2 RPMs for RH71 instead: http://www.opennms.org/~ben/kde2.2/
I rebuilt everything on RH71, should be no weird dependency issues.
Rick,
Is there any way to FTP the files from your site instead of HTTP downloading it one by one?
Regards,
Jake
you can use wget to grab them all
Everything except 'ksplash' and 'dcopserver' dumps core:
Illegal instruction (core duped).
So I've downgraded back to KDE 2.1. Any help ?
Uhhh... not sure what to tell you. Sounds like you've got other problems, or you're not really running RedHat 7.1...
But it's hard to say without more info.
I have AMD K6-2 processor, it is i586 architecture, so I suspect that 'illegal instruction' comes from architecture incompability ( i686 instruction ). Oh, but maybe somebody with AMD K6 have got it to work ?
Well, I haven't changed the compilation options from what RedHat uses, which is -march=i386 -mcpu=i686, which targets i686 but is backwards compatible to i386. If you can run anything else in redhat, you should be able to run these...
But I'm no compiler guru (not even a programmer), so this is beyond me as far as being able to fix it. =)
I also could not successfully install using Ranger Rick's RPMs on a K6-2 machine. Hopefully the original RedHat RPMs with Asif's script will do the trick. In any event, the problem illustrates why writing a KDE installer is not an easy undertaking. Thanks to both Asif and Ranger Rick for their efforts.
How funny ! After I downgraded back to KDE 2.1.1 I noticed that liquid theme is still on the theme list. So I activated it and it worked ! On KDE 2.1.1 and AMD K6-2.
I am looking for people to work with and try and get a program together that would work like GNOME's red carpet.
Anyone interested ???
We can use Ximian's existing Red Carpet code and use their already developed framework for multi-distro installation and dependency resolving, while providing our own XMLs for packages. I'm not sure Ximian, being GNOME centric and selling GNOME apps, would agree to provide an official KDE channel _within_ Red Carpet, but we could simply provide an alternative source from where Red Carpet would fetch the package lists and downloads.
Red Carpet's source can be downloaded at ftp://ftp.ximian.com:/pub/ximian-source/debian-potato-i386/
Hack (develop?) away!
uSE SuSE.
i think it can be a great idea share the red carpet's backend, in a library , so the two projects just have to do the gui and leave more time to work in the shared backend.
The KDE-installer you speak of (the one that would install KDE itself) has been discontinued. Work is not proceeding. I don't know how far the project got before stopping. I think they have the easy part done, the GUI, but not the hard part, the package backends for each and every distro out there.
If anyone wants to pick it up, the source is out there in CVS.
Now, there is also another KDE installer project, but that one is supposed to install KDE apps over the Internet by downloading them. It doesn't seem to be aiming to install KDE itself. Work on that is still proceeding, as far as I know (though there is only one guy working on it).
Okay, Nick Betcher has just said on KDE-Devel that he will pick up the project again, although he is still disappointed by the lack of contributions from other developers. If you want there to be a KDE-Installer, now is the time to help out. (and by help out I mean "start coding right now" and not "join the mailing list and make suggestions but never actually contribute anything")
KDE will never compite with Windows because Windows is an operating system while KDE is only a Desktop. I mean ... Hardware detection-configuration and system configuration for example. Its part of distro work, but you know, the distros are so far of KDE-Gnome desktop facilities.
If KDE can add into Kcontrol some modules for hardware detection-configuration and system configuration (with scripts maintance by the distro down the kcontrol module for example), will compite with windows. i hope .. :)
I think KDE 3.high-number.x even KDE 4 will compite completly with windows .. i hope
> If KDE can add into Kcontrol some modules for
> hardware detection-configuration and system
> configuration (with scripts maintance by the
> distro down the kcontrol module for example),
> will compite with windows. i hope .. :)
Well SuSE has added yast2 into kcontrol, so I guess we can comp_e_te right now.
Actually I don't go around detecting hardware all day ( I would like to have to do it more often), but rather work on my PC, and KDE works a lot better and faster than Win 98-SE.
With faster I don't mean startup times, but blocking guis, nonmoving windows, because the program is waiting, stuff like that makes me scream.