AUG
22
2002

KDE 3.1 Beta 1: Hot off the Servers

The KDE Project is pleased to announce the availability of KDE
3.1 Beta 1 for your testing enjoyment. This release, which marks
the second testing release of the KDE 3.1 branch, offers many
improvements and bug fixes over KDE 3.0.x. New features include
improved OpenPGP handling in KMail, handy tooltips that provide
details of files in Konqueror quickly, and even new ways to be
less productive thanks to four new games.

KDE 3.1 also officially introduces the much acclaimed Keramik
style as the new default widget style. On the PIM front, this
beta adds LDAP support to KAddressBook and also an AvantGo
conduit to KPilot. In all, this release sports hundreds of new
features, bug fixes, and improvements, many of which you can read
about here.

To get KDE 3.1 Beta 1, you can download source code tarballs at your favorite
mirror site, or right here. Binaries for several distributions are also available, see the full announcement for details and download locations. Hats off to Dirk
Mueller
for coordinating this release and preparing the release announcement. In addition, congratulations to
all of the hard working developers for putting together such a
large set of improvements!

Comments

Can't wait to try it out tomorrow. KDE now looks as good or better that OSX or WinXP right out of the box. Great work.


By Frank Rizzo at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Its getting there


By Luciansk at Thu, 2002/08/29 - 5:00am

I know this is a kde site and people will support their desktop, but you cannot be serious when you say that kde looks as good as OSX or Windows XP. Kde is still far behind both in the look and consistancy of the user interface. Neither Gnome or KDE will look as good untill X11 is replaced with a better windowing system or a new rendering model totally implemented. Many of the things that give the edge to WinXP and OSX are things that are just cannot be done with the current Xfree, such as real transparency. Untill things are changed, no Linux desktop can say they are better than WinXP or OSX. One thing that bothers me is how blind some of the Linux community is to what the real world wants. If you are trying to make a desktop that attracts everyday windows users, you'll need to focus on what they want. When Redhat goes out and tries to add consistency between Gnome and Kde, the Kde people go out and scream about how they are destroying their desktop when all they are trying to do is make a desktop enviroment with some consistency so that users can use the best apps from both desktops. The plain ignorance of some in the Linux community is what is holding it back from being a major player in the desktop market.


By Juan Briones at Wed, 2002/09/04 - 5:00am

Well, just to say that I believe KDE 3.1 with keramik style IS nicer than MacOSX and WinXP even if it has less special effects. I also think that Everaldo's icons are the nicest there is on earth. More over, KDE is the most themeable desktop. And no, I'm not saying that because I use KDE. I have no problem to say that the former KDE default style wasn't as good as MacOSX one but was not far from WinXP one.


By Julien Olivier at Wed, 2002/09/04 - 5:00am

Xfree *can* handle real alpha transparency, and it is able to hardware accelerate this, before MacosX Jaguar came out.

On the other hand, MacosX and WinXP still don't have anything near the networking capabilities of Xfree (no, i'm not talking about vnc crap).

Btw, the end-user desktop is won by first winning the corporate desktop. Most non-techie people I know, don't switch an entire OS just because it is more stable, faster, cheaper, prettier. But they will switch, if their company switches to that OS.

It are things like stability, good networking and administration capabilities, speed, decent apps, sane licensing issues, vendor support, migration from previous software that are important for the corporate desktop. It does *not* matter if it has real transparency..


By Anonymous at Fri, 2002/09/06 - 5:00am

> On the other hand, MacosX and WinXP still don't have anything near the networking capabilities of Xfree (no, i'm not talking about vnc crap).

Third party software has allowed Windows (sorry, don't know much about MacOS) to have window-level networking capabilties since Windows 3.1. WindowsXP remote desktop sharing (built into WinXP-Pro, and sharable through WinXP-HE), can also be configured to do window (x11 style) as well as desktop sharing (vnc style).

> Xfree *can* handle real alpha transparency, and it is able to hardware accelerate this, before MacosX Jaguar came out.

And this has been built into the Windows GDI since Win2k came out, and has been hardware accelerated by Nvidia since the 10.x Detno driver series (which I beleive was the first to have Win2k support). Other vendors also have support (I'm almost 100% sure ATI and Intel on-board chips do), but I don't have any ATI cards anymore to check :(

Don't get me wrong, I love X11, but your facts are basically reverse (anti-Microsoft) FUD.


By fault at Fri, 2002/09/06 - 5:00am

I know this is a kde site and people will support their desktop, but you cannot be serious when you say that kde looks as good as OSX or Windows XP. Kde is still far behind both in the look and consistancy of the user interface. Neither Gnome or KDE will look as good untill X11 is replaced with a better windowing system or a new rendering model totally implemented. Many of the things that give the edge to WinXP and OSX are things that are just cannot be done with the current Xfree, such as real transparency. Untill things are changed, no Linux desktop can say they are better than WinXP or OSX. One thing that bothers me is how blind some of the Linux community is to what the real world wants. If you are trying to make a desktop that attracts everyday windows users, you'll need to focus on what they want. When Redhat goes out and tries to add consistency between Gnome and Kde, the Kde people go out and scream about how they are destroying their desktop when all they are trying to do is make a desktop enviroment with some consistency so that users can use the best apps from both desktops. The plain ignorance of some in the Linux community is what is holding it back from being a major player in the desktop market.


By Juan Briones at Wed, 2002/09/04 - 5:00am

Umn, I definatly think that KDE (and GNOME) can look better than WinXP/MacOSX.

Remember that many people hate aqua, and in XP, they revert to the Windows Classic theme (win2000).

Now, KDE and GNOME are both *much* more customizable than XP or OSX out of the box.

X11 doesn't detract from the desktops any. It actually probably helps bunches. Now, it would be nice if X11 would support all of the special-fx capabilities of Quartz and the Windows GUI, but these sometimes actually make the interface *less* pleasing. The new version of MacOSX, Jaguar (10.1), actually scales back some of the effects by default.

Hopefully the X Transparency Server gets done soon ;)


By fault at Thu, 2002/09/05 - 5:00am

I for one am sick of Keramik already. But there's no better alternative right now. I've been doing some Googleing, but haven't found anything pleasing. I'd love for my Linux desktop to look like this: http://www2.truman.edu/~d2550/desktoppic.jpg

I'm almost starting to believe that XP has nicer themes than KDE/Gnome/etc...

But no, that's not the reason for switching back to Winblows. I'll continue using Linux. Just with a bit of a jealous look at some people with awesome XP themes...


By PARENA at Sat, 2002/10/05 - 5:00am

SuSE RPMs exist in unstable dir all right. Except that some of the dependencies seem broken. libart_lgpl.so.2 sits under gnome2 dir which rpm doesn't know anything about (so --force, but it's ugly), and kdeaddons package seems to be missing.

rpm -Fvh *.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 is needed by kdebase3-3.0.7-0
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 is needed by kdebase3-nsplugin-3.0.7-0
..
libkateinterfaces.so.0 is needed by kdeaddons3-3.0.3-6


By jmk at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

you must also install the libart rpm first (rpm -Fvh does not install new packages).

the internet forgot the kdeaddons package somewhere, it is uploaded now (again?).


By Adrian at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

> you must also install the libart rpm first (rpm -Fvh does not install new packages).

Yep. Wasn't there at the time.

> the internet forgot the kdeaddons package somewhere, it is uploaded now (again?).

Thanks.


By jmk at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

I still can't find libart kdeaddins rpms on the site.

I also get the error:

libkviewsupport.so.0 is needed by kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0


By ld6772 at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Well, installing kdeaddons on my SuSE 8.0 system means
I cannot start konqueror for ftp or file-management
anymore -- it crashes.

Without kdeaddons, everything works very well, very
smoothly. And I _love_ the font preview in konqueror.


By Boudewijn Rempt at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

This seems to be an error in one of the konqueror plugins.
Either konqlistview (and/)or konqiconview causes this crash.

You can make a copy of your "old" directorys
[prefix]/share/apps/konqlistview and
[prefix]/share/apps/konqiconview,
then install the kdeaddon package of 3.1-beta1 and afterwards restore above directories again...

This seems to work quite well...

ivo


By Ivo Rössling at Sun, 2002/09/01 - 5:00am

It is *really* nice to have a style that is not as boring as the previous ones and is not hard-to-use-each-day-übercool-and-wierd as enlightenment styles. In fact it is a really lovely one and one that makes us differ in look from other desktops.

Congrats to the Keramik people.

/S


By Sam at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

I actually _really_ like the .NET look, and I hope it is still available. I don't like my widgets gettin' all phat on me and taking up space!

Ahem. Sorry about the "gettin' all phat"... was momentarily overcome by the Ghost Of Aqua Widgets Past.


By Richard Bollinger at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

Niot only is it more mature than Keramik, (over 1 year in development) but it is also faster, more customizable, completely themes KDE and it looks just as good if not cooler. I really think liquid should ahve been selected as the default. If Keramik didn't leave the gray parts and was a complete theme than, I would consider them equal, but the way it is now and with the *great new scrollbars* I really liek Liquid a lot more.


By Alex at Wed, 2002/09/04 - 5:00am

Mostly I have a problem with the chunky-looking widgets. I want buttons to be buttons, not screen decorations :)


By Richard Bollinger at Wed, 2002/09/04 - 5:00am

Hi, I'm curious about SVG support in KDE. Will KDE 3.1 be able to handle icons in the SVG format?


By Joe at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

> Will KDE 3.1 be able to handle icons in the SVG format?

Yes.


By Chris Howells at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

You sure? I could have sworn I read in one of the earlier kernel cousins that SVG support was being postponed to 3.2 because not all the features were supported yet. Something about not including it until it worked properly so that it didn't set peoples expectations wrong.

However, KC #43 also reitterates the SVG icon rumour. Unless one of the developers pipes up to say yes or no, we'll have to wait and see.


By John at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

> Unless one of the developers pipes up to say yes or no,
> we'll have to wait and see.

Yes.

Tackat


By Torsten Rahn at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

You're confusing SVG icon support and full SVG support. The code for supporting SVG icons is already in CVS; what was postponed to 3.2 is code for full SVG file support - KSVG; the difference is that icons use only a small set of functionality of full SVG -- they don't use JavaScript scripting and animations, for instance.


By Sad Eagle at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

What about generic SVG viewing? I can't find anything at all about SVG on the 3.1 or 3.2 feature plan pages.


By Richard Bollinger at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

Hi,

there is a program in kdenonbeta called KSVG,
which is a generic svg viewer (works within Konqueror)

See http://svg.kde.org for details...

Bye
Bye
Niko


By Nikolas Zimmermann at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

Hi.
Is anoynone else experiencing problems with the new beta1 SuSE 8 rpm's?
For example:
- I can not configure or display 99% of the usual toolbars, there's no URL field, no back button ...
- Kmail still has no Aegypten Plugins pre-installed?

The Alpha1 was working quite good, hope it's just me causing this trouble. :o)

Besides this problems KDE rocks!
Keep on the good work.


By Marcus Reuss at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

same here so you're not alone. Konqueror is absolutely unusable for web browsing because there's only 5 buttons on toolbar, menus are in wrong order etc. Seems like one or more rc-files are missing from packages.


By duuude at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Also have this problem about no location bar, or missing menu 's in konqueror.

Am i still missing something


By VenimK at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Do you also not see HTML based buttons and forms? Like the threshhold in slashdot.org e.g.?

I can't believe how bad these SuSE packages are -- even for a beta.

* Incomplete dependencies
* broken Konqueror
* khtml unusable due to missing widgets
* lacking OpenPGP plugins for kmail
* KDVI does not work at all ("No kvierwerpart found")

I do not know it the beta KDE software is this broken at the moment, or if SuSE didn't do their homework.


By Moritz Moeller-... at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

On another machine in the office, the same RPMS result in a usable khtml. Very strange. Maybe it is style dependant?

Does anyone experience the same problems?


By Moritz Moeller-... at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Hmm, been trying different styles also, but that does no make showing op location bar en the missing menu 's in konqueror


By VenimK at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

OK, the reason for invisible HTML buttons and forms seems to have been an obsolete kdebindings3 package (KDE-3.03). After uninstalling it khtml works better than ever (again!! and fast!!!)

Unfortunately I found a new bug: rlan and lan URLS do not work.


By Moritz Moeller-... at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

Sorry but I cannot confirm this. I have no kdebindings3 package installed and I have the same symptoms as above.
I uninstalled all of kde before installing kde 3.1 beta1.

But I noticed that kdegraphics complains about a missing libkviewsupport.so.0.
This file is missing since the Alpha version.

Cheers,
Laci

P.S. remove NOSPAM from my email address if replying


By Laci at Mon, 2002/08/26 - 5:00am

all *rc files which get's installed by make install are packaged.


By Adrian at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Is there a fix for this yet? I really like the beta release but konqueror is still unusable because of the missing icons/menus.

Thanks!


By Anonymous Coward at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Me too, kde 3.1 beta1 is allmost unusable. Complains about libkviewsupport.so.0 when installing kdegraphics3-3.0.7-0.i386.rpm without --nodeps


By ComradeTux at Mon, 2002/08/26 - 5:00am

Well, I've tried it and...
use kdegraphics3-3.0.6-0.rpm and then....


By Michael at Sat, 2002/08/31 - 5:00am

I am having the exact same problems. Because I had the original Suse 8.0 version, I had to update QT3 to 3.0.5 as well, but it still complains about libkviewsupport.so.0

Anyone who knows how to fix this, let me know.


By Howard at Tue, 2002/09/03 - 5:00am

Normally I hate 'me too', but, well, me too!

I had even more problems as kpackages kept on crashing after I reached half of the installations. So I retarted KDE and that gave me a nice blue screen...

Next I headed to Gnome (can you believe it :-) and did stuff manually using a terminal.

And now it keeps on complaining about the same lib you complained about: libkviewsupport.so.0

I will try now to force the install. i just hope the libkviewsupport is only used in some very rare cases...

--
Regards,
Marko


By Marko Faas at Sun, 2002/09/29 - 5:00am

Are all the features from http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.1-features.html implemented? Will the red/yellow items be moved over to green at some point?


By anon at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

No. Yes, yellow in KDE 3.1 and red in KDE 3.1 or KDE 3.2.


By Anonymous at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Thanks!


By anon at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

Oh man, and I was just about to get started on my very own download manager project, because that's one of the very, very few (and constantly decreasing amount of) things KDE has been missing and I thought it would be a good first project to try. Oh well, I suppose I'll have to try to do one myself before 3.1 sharp releases, and not install any of these prerelases before... or I could just see if there perhaps are any features missing that I could try to add to the released version.... :) Oh well.... how often does it happen that a program from main KDE is not fully featured out of the box??? Great work, all you involved. I just hope I can come up with good new ideas, so that I can actually code something myself.


By Mattias at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

One feature that most people wants and the kget don´t have yet: download from more than one connection. Other features are find and select the best mirror, download a entire directory (pause and resume possible, of course) and, maybe, scan with a anti-virus. Too work to do. The first (more than one connection) is the critical one.
Thanks for the help. The KDE needs more developers.


By Daniel Dantas at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

I'd say the directory grabbing was more important... probably easier to implement though.


By matt at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

Check out d4x. Not kde, but I'm sure you'll like it.


By Neal Becker at Fri, 2002/08/23 - 5:00am

She even asks me to replace her Windows XP with SuSE and KDE3, because KDE3 is "sexy" and Windows XP is "dumb". -- one detail -- it is only a year ago when she first started working with computers at all!

The only things that still confuse her are: manual mounting and unmounting and absence of her Adobe and Macromedia software she works with.


By SHiFT at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

muaha :-) i really laughed about that


By ch at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

your girlfriend roxx :-P


By ch at Thu, 2002/08/22 - 5:00am

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