OCT
15
2001

Happy Birthday, KDE!

Five years ago, on October 14th, 1996, Matthias Ettrich delivered his famous newsgroup posting (also
HTMLized), and spawned a new era in the history of desktop environments. I think that a simple look at www.kde.org and all its related sites will show everybody just what has happened in the last five years. Congratulations to KDE, and here's to future growth and success! Update: 10/15 10:15 AM by N: Rob Kaper obliges with photos of some developers celebrating this occasion. Charles Samuel goes nostalgic with a screenshot of KDE 2.0pre. Finally, LinuxToday, Slashdot, and even Gnotices join us in celebrating this event.

Comments

My I be the first to say happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KDE!!!


By hoju at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

...and may I be the second. Happy birthday KDE! Apparently you share the same birthday as OpenOffice, although OpenOffice is only 1 year old.

Keep up the good work KDE developers, its most appreciated.

acm


By acm at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Gah, sorry.. here is the link:

http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/birthday.html


By acm at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

(OK, 43 minutes too late ;-)

Five years?! Really?! Never realised that it was such a long time.

But many things changed: I remember, when I installed my first 0.4 binary sometime in '97 (you know: Kalles famous c't-article): What a difference between this and fvwm95. This was the first thing I installed alone. I was used to _work_ with SunOS und Linux but installation-things??

These days I started learning Linux. My programming skills were not good enough to help the project - I was one of these silent users. Today I know much more about Linux and KDE. I try to help and try to promote KDE-Linux.

So:

Happy Birthday, KDE!


By Thorsten Schnebeck at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Why KDE is not referred as Kool Desktop Environment, even when It's name was chosen by Matthias E.? I find is very stupid in the tip of the day that "K" in "KDE" stands for nothing! Let me correct it, it stands for "Kool" (cool), the first posting of M.E. has the title "New Project: Kool Desktop Environment (KDE)".

Happy Birthday to KDE and every one cheers! BTW I like the new slogan "KDE 3.0: ready for the Desktop". I appreciate KDE teams' hard work and dedication. Thank you!


By Asif Ali Rizwaan at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

If you read the rest of that newsgroup, you'll see that they decided not to name it kool desktop environment (good thing too ;)


By Wiggle at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

They changed it to "K-Rad", right? =)


By Ranger Rick at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

haha, no kidding.
I'm sure that would really help the corporate acceptance..


By Leo Spalteholz at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

K stands for Kool.
In Kool, K stands for nothing...


By cristian at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Kool is a trademark for a brand of cigarettes in the United States.


By Unkool at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

Haaapppyyyy Birthday to Yoooou, Haaaapppyyy Birthday to Yooou, Haaapppyyy Birthday Dear KDE, Haaapppyyy Birthday to Yooooou. And many mooooooore! :-D


By Timothy R. Butler at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

For it's a jolly good desktop, for it's a jolly good desktop, for it's a jolly good desktop... and so say all of us!


By Rob Kaper at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

A couple of dutch KDE developers including yours truly decided to celebrate this big day together. It wouldn't be a true KDE event without my digital camera, so here's an impression. Enjoy!


By Rob Kaper at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I thought we agreed you weren't going to mention my bowling score ;-)


By Nielx at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I hate to be pedantic but I didn't actually mention your score. :)


By Rob Kaper at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

hej... that was in Nijmegen.... I also live in nijmegen...
where were the big banners ???
damn... would have like it to meet you guys...


By Robbin Bonthond at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Hmm, too bad You missed our party. It was really great!! We should do it again in the near future!!
Where were the banners?
Well there weren't any. We just looked in all the KDE-mailinglists and irc for Dutch KDE-developers/volunteers, and invited them to the party.

Kind regards, Rinse


By rinse at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Great pictures. I'll post mine asap...
And happy birthday to KDE.


By Alfons Hoogervorst at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

Congratulations!!! Happy Birthday, KDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You changed my live to the better side... !!!!


By Frank Seidel at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I use KDE on most of my Linux systems (including my Dell Laptop). Its great, however, its hard to figure out how to do an upgrade - The install information points me all over the place and what worked for a previous update doesn't seem to work for newer updates. I use KDE almost everyday and have for the last 2 1/2 years. I really like it and want to keep it current. Help me do that!


By Jens Moller at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

attached is a screenshot of an early pre-2.0 release. :)


By Charles Samuels at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Reminds me, I still need to do a checkout of one of those releases and reintroduce the System style as it was back then, with those awesome red/green checkboxes.

I know, it would not be as useful for colourblind people or those from cultures where green/yes and red/no aren't the default meaning, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be in kdeartwork.


By Rob Kaper at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I'll have to see if I can make a few grabs today of one of the several KDE 1.1 machines I still administer ;)


By raindog at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Does anyone have any pre-1.0 screenshots? Those're the ones I'd like to see :)


By Rakko at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

.... is still better


By a guy who likes... at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I agree, but only because like you, I collect core files and buffer overflows.


By .....Troll snatcha at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I used to troll around these forums, but now that I actually tried KDE, I've started trolling in Gnotices

GNOME IS SUX
KDE ROOLZ

a former GNOME abuser, rehabilitated at gnome users anonymous


By Wiggle at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

yeah okay. KDE Rox, but Gnome is mightyful (is that a word?) also.
There's no point in saying, "this sux, this rox".
Both Gnome and KDE developers are working very hard.
So they deserve all the credit.
I must add to this that KDE continues to grow with an unseen speed.
But then again, loozing eazel was a big disaster for gnome.
Nevertheless the gnome developers continue to work, so they deserve respect.


By iscarioth at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

You don't seem to understand. The whole KDE vs. GNOME thing is a stupid user debate. Developers do not care. That is why GNOME has posted an article on KDE's 5th birthday as well. We should work towards integration, and not fight over everything. Hopefully, when Berlin becomes stable, we will be able to make a new toolkit, combining the advantages of both (with wrappers for the different opinions, of course). I use gnome, but that doesn't mean I don't have KDE installed, that I hate KDE, or that I am in any way using an inferior or superior desktop (I just like the interface better).


By C. Evans at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Ok, when Berlin is stable...
and fast enough for daily work.
So, let's say in approx. 10 years ;-)
And then we will have new toolkits, since it's quite different, everything can be 3D, translucent and so on.
Maybe a real new GUI experience.

Bye
Alex


By aleXXX at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

I agree that it's a stupid thing to have a GNOME vs. KDE discussion, both desktops are superior to those of that
silly product from western US.

However, since I installed (or, I tried to install) Nautilius from Eazel I can't use GNOME anymore


By Franz at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

Even Gnotices wish KDE a happy birthday! Doesn't that proof that the entire GNOME vs KDE war doesn't even exists?


By Stof at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

I love KDE! A pity nobody has succeeded yet in porting it to Mac OS X... Therefor, I 'have to' run windowmaker now...

Congratulations KDE, and I hope you may grow up to Mac OS X desktops (and later perhaps even the majority of Windows desktops?)


By Rene at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Five years already? Whoa! Who's got the cake?


By Whitehawk Storm... at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Only 5 years and already this good. That is amazing !


By Sander at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

To KDE!!


By Anonymous Coward at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Irre.... crazy, in 5 years it has come so far.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY KDE !


By thomas at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

congratulation to all the coders, designers, developers and their girlfriends! lotsa great work, guyz! Keep it going, and windoze is gonna be history soon

but please, please please... it's so unfriendly to install/upgrade...


By Divine at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

>but please, please please... it's so unfriendly to install/upgrade...

That's the distro's fault. There's really no good way that KDE could provide any sort of installation type tool seperate from xyz distro's packaging system without causing massive mayhem, since the distros are packaging their own binaries anyways. KDE provides only source.


By Carbon at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I've missed that original posting because there wasn't a usable news feed here in Namibia. I remember discussing LyX with a friend in Austria in the begin of 1997 by email and then he mentioned that Matthias started another project: KDE. I wasn't much impressed at first but after going to www.kde.org and downloading KDE (note: compiled it on a 486-66 with 16MB) I tried it out and was hooked immediately. It completely changed my view of X programming. I had tried it a coupla times before but always gave up on it. Now, with KDE and Qt, it was so easy to write applications with a pretty GUI. Thanks to TT and the handful of original KDE developers who took this up!

To the next 5 years of KDE development after which, I guess, this beast will no only be able to notify me when my tea is ready but to make the tea.


By Uwe Thiem at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I swear I had my hands on a script which did exactly that, communicate to your eTea-Machine via the parport and print the status messages in KNewsTicker's scrolltext. Pity I can't remember where it is (probably put it in the same dir as the focus-follows-mind script which says 'You really sure you want to type there, making a fool out of yerself?' whenever you've been caught typing in the wrong window).


By Frerich Raabe at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

i am so impressed by the great kde-community. you are so great.
i love kde and i am using it every day as my default method, handling my machine :-)

and...of course... i am using kde in my trainings as well.

so keep up the goog work.
- gunnar


By gunnar at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

Just wanted to say that everyone in my office loves KDE! Not to do any gnome bashing, but you guys are far, far ahead of the game.

We wish you all the best of luck!

Happy well deserved birthday KDE!

-mofo


By mofo at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

I'm your fan.

Thanks a lot.


By Alex at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

They even congratulate KDE on the Gnotices web page. I think this is great as it shows that the people really involved with these two desktop projects are much more mature than the trolls on both sides. Very honorable move, Gnotices!


By AC at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

All KDE needs to do now is to slow it a bit, or perhaps do it like th linux kerneland have a bunch that maintainsa branch to get it a bug free as possible. then new features can be added in the experimental tree and when it is released, move into a temporary bug crushing mode, once it has gotten pretty stable move to the next experimental and give old branch into maintanence.....the old way has definatly given KDE all it has but it has also made it buggy. I think that the move could be done after 3.0 and all you would need is to give the maintanence to one person on each subproject.

good job anyway guys, we just need it more stable.


By jeremy at Mon, 2001/10/15 - 5:00am

> All KDE needs to do now is to slow it a bit, or perhaps do it like th linux > kerneland have a bunch that maintainsa branch to get it a bug free as possible

Actually there are "a bunch" of people working on the KDE_2_2_BRANCH and fixing as many bugs as possible. Contributors welcome :)


By Carsten Pfeiffer at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

yeah, but how long are they going to maintain it? are they going to do like Alan Cox and maintain the code until it is super stable? are we going to see KDE 2.2.10 when KDE 3.4 is out?


By jeremy at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

Probably not ;-)
All bug fixes which are applied to the "stable" branch are also applied to the "experimental" branch. I don't think many developers will continue to use KDE 2.x once KDE 3.0 is released.
We will have a KDE 2.2.2, maybe a 2.2.3, and that will probably be all.
Then look forward to KDE 3 :-)

Bye
Alex

P.S. 2.2.2 will be be very stable and contain very much bug fixes as far as I can say


By aleXXX at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

well, thats good to know. when I read about going from 2.2.1 to 3.0 I was thinking "but the bugs are not cruhed hear yet" at the rate that bugs are crushed by you guys, 2.2.2 would be very stable and 2.2.3 would be almost perfect I am sure.

I hope 3.0 is faster than 2.2.x...and KHTML needs a speed up, its starting to act like MSHTML.

its sort of funny, you look eveywhere in the OSS community and you see realy good features, you just don't see all the realy good features in one place.


By jeremy at Tue, 2001/10/16 - 5:00am

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