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Raeding from your story, it has become quite clear to me that you have never taken the trouble to go beyond rather narrow boundaries as far as self education is concerned, which is of course good for Microsoft Windows sales as they focus on exactly this type of cattle, and yes, Linux lovers are usually of a superior intelligence and broad-mindedness, so the wheat is separated from the chaff, so what you call Geek is in fact a compliment, however, you are in no position to give a compliment because of your relative low scientific level compared to Geeks. Enjoy MicroCrap !

Actually, if you look beyond all the swearing and immature ranting, Mr. Pagliarulo has a very, very, very good point. I think that the whole linux community, already knowing a lot about computers, forget what it is like to not understand something about computers.
And Linux is very intimidating for a beginner. And Linus said it himself in an article that linux was not really suited for home users.
But if the goal is to provide microsoft with REAL competition, than the first priority would be to look at certain distros and make them more user freindly.
I understand the interface is user freindly, but there are advanced things many users can do in windows that seem totally impossible for non geeks in linux.

Then, once you had a beginner freindly linux distro going(knoppix would be the one i would choose), you do what he said and port linux programs to windows to give people exposure to linux, but being careful not to make people think that they should just keep using ported versions and never switch to linux.

My Idea would be to figure out how to get it set up with computer retailers like Fry's Electronics and Circuit City(Although you would start with little stores first) to have live cd's up by the candy and the cash register and ideally give them away free like AOL discs although since linux is free there is no war chest to pay for all this.

I couldn't agree more. There is absolutely no way people will be convinced to switch to Linux without a taste of the best. Sure, vmware and stuff helps, but it just isn't as good as full throttle. I myself find life in Windows happy enough, but with a bit more linux without cygwin, just native compatibility, we will definitely have more switchers.

Hello,

I'm a newbi on Linux and I can say that I would love to switch once for all to linux, but this is not easy.
I have been able to install a distro....but trust me sometimes it really feels like go only Windowzz, hey if not for windows probably I would not be able to work in my present position....anyway not going off topic....please ...please...Konqueror for Windows...(my interest for linux started with Firefox)...and trust me more open source software on windows will make people will look in a different way to linux..

Upon searching for a port of Konqueror for Win, my first impression at the start of this flame is, "Domenico is not someone I would like to either collaborate with nor take very seriously."

It doesn't take too many decades in the business to realize that there are many dimensions to software, and any given expert is lacking in one or more of them. Of course, we know some of Domenico's lacking expertise, notably professionalism, social networking, and emotional maturity; however, he is also not understanding the clear difference between commercial software and open-source software.

I hope some metaphorical light bulbs start popping.

Commercial software is created to be sold and updated and patched and supported, at cost. Quality here is sacrificial if your market is strong enough. That is business.

Open-source is geared to creating better products, of course, better in the minds of those creating them. It is a clear-hearted desire to make a strong, positive mark in the world.

In the end, one becomes better financed and marketed and the other continues seeking to improve yet remains hidden.

So while Mr. Pagliarulo enjoys getting his rant on, he effectively is accomplishing very little. If his experience is marketing, then he should perhaps consider applying his trade to aid those whose lives are dedicated to making better software products than propaganda techniques. Because as 'most of us' know, open-source is a story of collaboration that is epic. Nationality, religion, sex, philosophy are ignored in the quest for better software.

I hope in some small way Mr. Pagliarulo reviews this with an open mind and considers who he really is ( as perceived ) compared to what he perceives himself to be. I hope his next jaunt into cyber-wars displays an evolved perspective.

Pass it on.

Who gives a hoot about which operating system is better. I personally use both, and it's all user preference. Please quit arguing and settle on "everyone is different". It bothers me to no end when people don't understand this. On a more related note, I got Konqueror working on my Windows via Cygwin. There's nothing wrong with trying to use Konqueror on a different operating system than Linux.

It is correct nobody take effort to make available best linux application to MS Windows. KDE guys should rethink abt it.

There were times I had Linux installed just for testing some of my stuff in Konqueror-like browsers, still back in the time of NN4.x "bugward compatibility" coding that ruined 90% of W3C's ideas on web accessibility. I tried to make my friends think how great Linux was, but ended up buying Win-based applications, while there was nothing really challenging among KDE tools. Hipocrisy? No. Sole survival.

You Linux geeks wouldn't have to provide all the tools within the Win Konqueror version. I don't mind, after switching to Opera7 I'll never get back to IE or something, because finally I see the light at the end of the dark tunnel of xml-based content that was supposed to provide web content to all people and different browsers.

See, either you make a browser that's at least 99% W3C-specs compliant OR please, please gimme a chance to CARE for Linux users and check my pages before launching, BUT on Windows, while I'm never 100% sure on my xhtml/css layout. Do I really have to check them? Here in Poland i get 0.4% of Linux-user hits during the week...

btw I found this page looking for a chance to download Konqueror for Win. regards.

I completly agree with the idea of a Konqueror for Windows. When I create my websites using XHTML+CSS, I always test them in Firefox, Opera and IE. Why not Konqueror, too?

I've done exactly the same as others - I've tested most of this particular site ( http://www.pompey-pics.com ) in opera, IE7 Firefox 2 and 3 and Safari, but cannot test on Konqueror at the moment.
I completely agree with the above comments, and also found this page searching for Konqueror on Windows!

Oh, if anyone can test this site on Konqueror, please let me know!

Why not just run kde cygwin and install that. That should give you exactly what you want. Here's a link to another artcile: http://en.allexperts.com/q/Unix-Linux-OS-1064/install-Konqueror-Windows-...

> Not nearly half of all Macs out there are even running OS X yet

If Quark would get out of their vaporware mode I would imagine the OSX numbers to jump in a significant way. There's a lot of publishing folks holding at OS9 for purely this reason.

If another year goes by without an OSX version of QuarkExpress, I rather expect that Adobe will simply eat that market segment as the industry won't wait forever no matter how in love they are with Quark.

However it plays, the OSX conversion will happen this year. Plus the fact that all new Macs sold are OSX by default. That's a lot of boxes out there. Especially in the notebook realm.

Something almost everyone forgets in these market share estimates is the education market in which Apple has lead for generations though lately Dell is about tied with and Linux has barely begun to be a presence - and Apple is almost universal in k-6.

Now the k12 market is still running Mac OSes 7,8,9.... Mostly they are probably still running Netscape 4.08 - 4.8 though many are now in IE 5.1.x. But the migration to X has begun. Enterprise management for X has just begun with X Server 10.2 and will push ahead.

One of the biggest things pushing back is the State Budget crises - these force the buying cycle in k12 to slow (as that is where almost all k12 tech money comes from.) But there is a compensating influence. Up until recently all other departments tended to make requests of the tech dept to fulfill their own needs for hardware and software. Since the tech dept has generally run very low on money everyone is now putting up *their* money and asking the tech dept to buy the right thing. And X is what they are going to have to wrestle with!

Just something to think about.

> The remaining % is prolly mac web designers. (30%-) Macs have no real pros for web disigners unless they are also

Uh, wtf????? I think you're really talking out of your ass here, because a great deal of the web designing masters, such as Mark Pilgrim, use Macs. This is why a great deal of web designers were stirred when Safari came out. It was something they started using on a daily basis.

> I'll bet more than 40% are on windoze (FrontPage, Dreamweaver (I know mac version exists, but im willing to bet more people use PC version)

I'll be around 55-60% use Windows in fact.

> After the 40% on windoze, ill bet roughly 30+% use *nix on iX86. This is b/c it is easiest to test on (save files directly and test locally), it is stable, all the nerds, who are after all the ones making the web pages like *nix, and its open source, just like PHP/MySQL etc... So I'm sure they use it just cause.

Working on web development and administration as my day job, I've noticed very few using some sort of UNIX. Of course, a lot of the time, they are using UNIX servers for hosting, but more often than not, the UNIX servers are colocated and thus must be remotely accessed (and not through graphical means like X11)

I'd have to say less than 5% of web developers use *NIX as their workstation. Perhaps 60% use it for their servers though.